Recently, on the radio show Search the Scriptures 24/7, a broadcast of the The Berean Call, the ministry of the late Dave Hunt, host Tom McMahon was joined by Sarah Leslie of Discernment Ministries, and writer and editor of the blog Herescope to discuss the nephilim of Genesis 6. What ensued was a lengthy diatribe roundly criticizing teachers such as Dr. Chuck Missler, L.A. Marzulli, Tom Horn, and others who understand that the account of Genesis 6:4 is literally speaking of fallen angels having offspring with human women. The transcript of the show can be found here.
Below is my letter to them in response to this episode:
I am concerned with Tom and Sarah’s aggressive attack on brothers in Christ such as Marzulli, Missler, Horn, et al given their teaching on the nephilim and their role in eschatology. First of all, in the Search the Scriptures 24/7 episode on Oct. 25, no counter explanations were offered. No explanations were given as to what the nephilim were. The entire commentary was centered around attacking others who teach something apparently uncomfortable for Sarah and Tom to accept. Several things must be questioned and considered:
1) The nephilim were described and mentioned in the Bible. Therefore, they cannot be be dismissed or ignored. It is not prudent scholarship to dismiss this as just something weird we can have no understanding of – not for someone who claims to study the scriptures daily and learn all that they have to offer. So the question must be addressed – who were they?
2) The Hebrew term used in the ancient text that was translated the “Sons of God” is “Bene Elohim”. This term is only used to describe a direct creation of the hand of God Himself. It is never used to describe Godly or righteous men. It wasn’t used to describe Moses or Abraham, or the 12 disciples, or even the apostles like Paul. It was used when describing Adam and the angels – the only direct creations by the hand of God. Therefore, if the bene Elohim mentioned in Chapter 6 of Genesis were not Adam, then they were angels. Genesis 6:4 clearly says that these angels mated with human women. This cannot be swept away or ignored. There is no biblical passage to support that the lines of Seth were not to intermarry with the lines of Cain. There is no biblical passage to support that the lines of Cain were necessarily evil or ungodly. There is no where else in the Bible where the original term in the ancient text “bene Elohim” was used to describe anything other than angels and Adam.
3) Closer study of Genesis 6:4 reveals that there were giants in the earth in those days “and also after that”. This must be addressed as well. This leaves many with the understanding that since this chapter is introducing us to Noah and the flood, that “those days” refers to the antediluvian period. “After that” refers to post-flood.
The giants were on the earth “when the ‘bene Elohim’ came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.” Why would these be any different from any other human being, if we were dealing with humans mating with humans? Why would it be a big enough deal for God to wipe out the earth? Why would they be giants? Men of renown or mighty men?
4) Why are there cave drawings from thousands of years ago in South America that look identical to cave drawings in Asia or Africa from that time period that depict great human hybridized beasts that seem to have a place of importance or relevance in their societies? This is where studying other ancient texts come into play. Your radio broadcast made an effort to paint men like Missler as borderline occultists who study these other ancient nonbiblical texts with some sort of awe or reverence, when it is important to study what was going on in those ancient societies at the time and compare to the Bible to try and understand it. We know the Bible is the inspired inerrant Word of the Living God, therefore it is infallible. So we can study other ancient sources to help us understand what we know to be true. When the Bible describes nephilim in the way it does, and then you have similar descriptions in ancient texts all over the world given names like titans, you start to get a clear picture of what these things were. These nonbiblical texts are many times evil in nature, describing demonic practices, and yet, they inadvertently back up the Word of God!
5) When asked about His 2nd coming, Jesus used a strange phrase, “as it was in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be”. What does this mean? What was special about the days of Noah that sets it apart from any other time in history? Violence, hatred, ungodliness, evil, murder, rape, child sacrifice, all horrible acts against God have ALWAYS existed throughout history. Man’s heart is continually evil, and none of these acts exist now any less than they did then. The only thing that is specifically mentioned about the days of Noah that is not mentioned anywhere else in described right in Genesis 6! This part of the Bible goes into great detail to tell us exactly what the days of Noah looked like – there were nephilim! The illegitimate offspring of fallen angels and women. It is a safe assumption that since all other evil has always existed, the days of Noah that Jesus mentioned had to be referring to the nephilim.
Is it any wonder that we are hearing more and more reports of so-called “alien” and ufo sightings and encounters? After you weed through the hoaxes and lies, there is a truly disturbing phenomenon going on all over the world, and it has increased exponentially in the last 20 years, and especially just in the last few. We know that from first hand encounters from people who aren’t even saved, that the descriptions of these things equate to that of demons. They are always enveloped in a burning sulfur smell, they exude evil, the content of their messages has been not that they are aliens here to help us, but that we are deceived by the gospel and everything in the Bible is a lie, they cringe and cower at the name of Jesus Christ.
We believe that this is a huge part of the great deception – one that many, including the Vatican, are buying into. That these “space aliens” are friendly beneficial helpers, when in fact they are demonic entities here to deceive and destroy. We hearken back to Jesus’ words at the Olivet discourse.
We believe that these are interdimensional demons who are masquerading as aliens from another planet. We believe that they have found a way to create for themselves suits of skin from the tissues of living things, hence worldwide cattle mutilations of laser precision where entire organs are missing, the entirety of the animal’s blood is gone, and there are no incisions or spilt blood. The abduction phenomenon is real when again, once you filter out the delusions and hoaxes. People have had implants removed from their bodies that are not of this world, that repair themselves when split, and have a network of intelligently designed components at the microscopic level. However, you don’t hear stories of born again Christians having these experiences.
We believe that the mark of the beast is something so horrific, that is renders one unsavable. This must be a mark that one willingly takes. Many of us believe that it will actually change one’s DNA in such a way that it cannot be undone. The Bible says that men will seek death and not find it. Personally I believe that it will be advertised as the fountain of youth, something that allows you to live forever. I believe that these “alien” abductions are in fact these demons experimenting on human DNA to perfect this technology.
Everything starts to make sense once you accept the uncomfortable fact that Genesis 6 is talking about fallen angels mating with women, given the original term used, bene Elohim, and how it was only used elsewhere to describe direct creations of God. And how Jesus stated that “as it was in the days of Noah…”. These are things that must be addressed. Brothers Marzulli, Missler, Putnam, Horn, Quayle, etc. are trying to understand the Word of God as it is written. They are not mysticists, or new agers, or esotericists. These are Godly men who love the same Lord of all creation that you do.
Tom’s description is “They instead are teaching now that some sort of space alien, fallen angel, hybrid, disembodied spirit creatures came to earth and mated with human women and created hybrid offspring, and that was why God judged the earth, that Noah was the only pure race, that Noah was the only pure seed.” – how is this different from exactly what the Bible says? It tells us that fallen angels mated with women and their offspring were giants. It says that only Noah and his sons were “pure in their generations”, meaning they were not corrupted by this activity.
If Genesis 6 didn’t say what it says, and if Jesus didn’t mention the days of Noah, these men would be doing something else with their time. But it does, and so they are doing a good deed in studying the scriptures and uncovering the truth. The scripture tells us that in the last days, knowledge will be opened to those who seek it. We believe we are in the last days, and we believe that knowledge we never knew along these lines is being discovered. I encourage you to sincerely study these things with an open mind.
Lastly, the most egregious of your claims was concerning the describing of Dr. Missler as a wacko who is attracted to conspiracy theories, and who needs to study the Word of God. There is not a scholar on this earth more studied in the Word than Chuck Missler. This is a man who has devoted his life to studying scripture, and God has revealed many things to him as a result. He is a scholar in all of the ancient languages that the original texts are written in; he is a scholar of the Greek Septuagint and the Latin Vulgate; as well as the Torah and all other biblical texts. If you want to challenge his exegesis or scholarship, I’m sure he would welcome the debate, but please do it with him present, and not in such an underhanded manner as this.